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Sunday, August 06, 2006

Grace Choi and the Outsiders

Loren Javier interviewed me regarding Grace Choi and DC's Outsiders tea -- we had a very fun exchange over email discussing these characters and it resulted in an interesting article. Please check out the post!

12 Comments:

Anonymous Mac said...

Wow Jenn's becoming famous :)

Also I noticed on your Outsiders website the updates are listed as 2005 not 2006.

8/06/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Loren said...

Thanks again for talking with me about the Outsiders! You're the best!

PS - ditto mac.

8/06/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Blogger Jenn said...

eyipe -- yeah, it should be 2006! talk about a brainfart that's gone unnoticed!

8/06/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judd Winick skirts with the white liberal noblesse oblige of "speaking" for Asian/Asian-American women because he gets to put his penis inside of one. Thankfully, it's not all about literal sex with Winick, since he also relentlessly chooses to "speak" for gays and people with AIDS because he appeared with one on a reality show once.

8/07/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

Don't forget Winnick wrote that abominable "Arthur Light depowers Kimiyo Hoshi" story in Green Arrow. Which I don't know was his idea or editorial edict to consolidate Dr Lights, but whatever. The whole raping-her-by-taking-her-powers angle combined with her going out like a punk--bad times.

8/07/2006 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Adam said...

Anon, to be fair, Mr. Winick became very close friends with (and I don't mean biblically) said homosexual on a TV show. I don't think the fact that Mr. Winick just knew one on a "Reality" show was his sole motivation for trying to increase the visibility of homosexual characters in comics.

8/08/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Jay said...

How did you get the AsAm MtF ratio, Jenn? Did you just do a headcount on your list of AsAm heroes?

I have a question, Jenn. Do you believe the same thing (people cannot write about different races) for gender - that women cannot write male characters and vice versa? If you were to say that a WoC would write the character, I agree. But that's not the same as the previous sentence. Note: are there _any_ Asian American women writers in the Big Two? I don't seem to recall any.

justin, you should read the Women in Refrigerators sometime - it has a whole list of men-abusing-women-to-advance-the-plot-or-the-male-character stories.

8/09/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Jay said...

Argh, typo.

I meant "If you were to say that a WoC could write the character more effectively..."

8/09/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger Jenn said...

The M:F ratio was done by headcount back in June, and didn't include gender ambiguous characters such as Egg Fu, which is technically an it. I expected there to be many more F characters than M but was surprised that it was a roughly 50:50 ratio with M's slightly predominating, albeit in much more secondary roles than F's, which were greatly overrepresented in "main characters" (i.e. those who participated in multiple story arcs or had their own titles).

As for your second question, I would say that we can't forget power structure. POC exist in a society that is White male-dominated, inundated with the White male experience. I think it would be easier and more authentic for a POC to write the White male experience than vice versa, although it still wouldn't be completely authentic.

Keep in mind that there is a difference here between "can't" and "shouldn't". I'm not saying that White males cannot write from a PoC experience (i.e. I am barring them from ever writing anything but a White male character) -- that would be too extreme. Rather, I'm pointing out that they probably shouldn't write a character of colour, and imagine that they are being completely ingenous (is that a word?) to the community in question.

8/09/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger Jenn said...

The M:F ratio was done by headcount back in June, and didn't include gender ambiguous characters such as Egg Fu, which is technically an it. I expected there to be many more F characters than M but was surprised that it was a roughly 50:50 ratio with M's slightly predominating, albeit in much more secondary roles than F's, which were greatly overrepresented in "main characters" (i.e. those who participated in multiple story arcs or had their own titles).

As for your second question, I would say that we can't forget power structure. POC exist in a society that is White male-dominated, inundated with the White male experience. I think it would be easier and more authentic for a POC to write the White male experience than vice versa, although it still wouldn't be completely authentic.

Keep in mind that there is a difference here between "can't" and "shouldn't". I'm not saying that White males cannot write from a PoC experience (i.e. I am barring them from ever writing anything but a White male character) -- that would be too extreme. Rather, I'm pointing out that they probably shouldn't write a character of colour, and imagine that they are being completely ingenous (is that a word?) to the community in question.

8/09/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger Ragnell said...

To be fair, I suspect Winick's inability to handle Thunder and Grace to their full potential stems from his lack of writing skill as opposed to his color.

That said, Ido totally agree with the point of your last comment -- The "writers should be willing and able to write anyone" but they have to acknowledge
when there's a viewpoint they can't experience firsthand, and respect that -- I just needed to slip in the dig at Winick.

8/10/2006 04:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Adam said...

Ragnell - Agreed, Winick isn't exactly the second coming of Hemingway, but he one of the better writers in comics today, by far not the best, but definitely very good.

8/11/2006 10:32:00 AM  

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